Will Recruiting High School Students to the NBA Hurt NCAA Collars?

We all had a lovely morning at in order to win Just enjoy some coffee while Laughing at Tom Brady A mockery of the Pittsburgh Steelers Continued use of Mitchell Trubesky in quarterback.

Then Shams al-Sharaniyah had to blow everything up for us.

According to The Athletic and Stadium reporter, the National Basketball Association and the Players’ Association have deepened talks about a new collective bargaining agreement that, among other things, would lower the enlistment age from 19 to 18 — effectively ending one — and the era of football ended. University basket.

Our Slack channel did not handle this news well. Battle lines were drawn between those (Andy Nesbitt) who thought this meant the end of NCAA basketball as we know it and others who thought the impact wouldn’t be as sharp as it seemed.

Below is a transcript of the resulting mess, edited for clarity and a bit of profanity.

The following conversation took place between 11:09AM ET and 11:30AM ET

Blake Schuster: oh s***

Charles Curtis: This is Happpppppppppppppppppp. This mental health thing is great

Caroline Darney: Oh hell yeah let’s go

Blake: Bronny James miss college?

Brian Kalbrowsky: FWIW, Bronny James is expected to take the college road.

Andy Nesbitt: RIP, college collars. It was a good run!

Caroline: We’ll be fine, Andy (I think maybe two if this lasts a year)

Brian: I think it will be much more than that.

Caroline: Which are formulated???

Charles: You have abroad, G League, 18-year-old boys are being recruited

Caroline: I still think college would be the best option for most of them. Especially with NIL. Abroad and G League are now in place.

Charles: But they will achieve a lot in the NBA

Brian: People go abroad, G league and Elite because they can’t go to the NBA.

dew: College collars will quickly become like old rotary phones on your kitchen wall

Charles: College collars may still be fine? I do not know. Like a star’s strength may go down but it’s still.

dew: I’ve been claiming college hoops have been far from good for years

Blake: Ochai Agbaji, Frank Mason, and Devonte Graham were all like a non-existent recruit until Bill Self found them. Maybe Kansas will win more titles now.

Caroline: College collars will be fine

dew: They’ll still have March, but yes, they’re off to the rest!

Blake: The important thing for college basketball this time around is that the NCAA allows players to go to collecting/announcing the draft and getting feedback. So it’s not as if these kids have to stick to the draft until they’re sure of their choice.

Brian: I mean four years of players are still around. I loved Payton Pritchard in Oregon. Blake loved all the Kansas players who spent four years in Lawrence and then did nothing in the NBA

Blake: All of them got rings at Kuwait University. It’s not our fault that Sacramento keeps crafting. I really don’t think we’ll see a significant decline in college. Not with NIL, etc. This will only help 0.5 percent of top players.

Caroline: Like 2-4 guys who went pro (league gee/outside country) every year in the last… 5 seasons? …I’m not too worried. Maybe you don’t have Zion and Kid?

Prince c. College hoops might be better off IMO. Players stay, teams build identity

Caroline: Yes every year in the top 25. I’m with Prince. This can help college. More continuity.

Blake: I think the change in the CBB is marginal at best. I don’t know if that helps or hurts.

Caroline: I think marginal, possibility of help. There is no significant effect on IMO.

Brian: It’s very likely, right now, that the top four picks in the 2023 NBA Draft aren’t college players. Twins Victor, Scott and Thompson They all have more stock than anyone in college.

Caroline: Honestly, this isn’t another college plug, you don’t have to go to the worst four teams (mostly cynical). Stay in college for two years, avoiding royalty.

dew: Stay in college for two years to avoid the NBA. If you have been in college for more than two years, you are looking for a professional job abroad.

Caroline: This is totally false but it’s okay.

dew: I think this is mostly true but I don’t have any stats anywhere near me.

Blake: Yes, no one even knows what happened to that smart guy Marcus after he left Oklahoma.

dew: Exactly, that’s why I mostly said!

Caroline: Or Malcolm Brogdon, where has he been since 2016?

Prince: on the list of injured.

Christian D’Andrea: dead.

Caroline: Sir was general rocky

Blake (mostly for Andy, a Celtics fan): Robert Williams III, and Grant Williams, both of whom are also multi-year undergraduates.

Caroline: We’re just resetting the college’s talent level expectations. You don’t have Zion, but that doesn’t bother me.

dew: As a regular fan, the lack of Zion is a big deal to me!

Brian: I mean college is obviously still a viable path. There are a lot of players who made it to the NBA after playing for several years in school.

Blake: Ja Morant. A young man for two years in Murray. No one has heard of him since.

Charles: As a regular fellow, I won’t be watching college until March.

Caroline: As a die-hard college fan, I’m not too concerned. (I’m tired of catering to the NCAA for regular audiences, but that’s another argument for another day and it’s been a long nuisance to me)

dew: I’ll start watching around Sweet 16, unless some Cinderellas pass then I’ll wait or the Final Four.

Christian: Andy will wake up with broken tires next week and there will be a series of Top Gun related clues about who did it.

closing arguments

After a cooling off period, all parties involved agreed to think definitively.

Blake: Yes, this won’t affect college basketball as much as a regular fan (ahem, Andy) might think. The big picture we’re taking here is that this will make the salaries of more players bigger soon, and I’m all for it. College sports have much bigger problems now, anyway. this is good. The best stories are always the unrecruited people who become stars and will have more stage for themselves now. People who don’t watch until March still won’t watch until March and it’s doubtful they noticed any difference.

Charles: I’m a college basketball player at best, watching the start of… March. But I don’t expect college hoops to be a huge hit. There will always be the championship, there will always be players who don’t go to the NBA who turn out to budding prospects in college, whether it’s freshman year or seniors, and there will always be Duke players who hate them even if Coach K doesn’t judge the bench .

Prince: Whether or not players who go straight to the pros are detrimental to the college game depends on the lens through which you view it. Could some of the regular season games that could have featured Zion Williams from the world suffer from poor TV ratings? potentially. A normal person like me wouldn’t pretend to want to watch many Oklahoma games before Trae Young goes to scorched earth. But then again, the days of bands sticking together for over a year have their magic. I think familiarity built through continuity helps, not harm, college basketball in the long run. The competitions are getting more intense, the conference games are more interesting and the title games mean a little more. So I tend to side with high school students to go straight to the pros without hurting college collars.

dew: College basketball has been losing casual fans for many years now, and more great players who completely skip it will lead to more fans watching the action into March realizing they barely know anything about the teams they pick in their NCAA kits. I miss the good days of college hoops, though!

Brian: There will always be super college basketball fans, and that doesn’t change anything for them. But to the casual observer, this definitely hurt college basketball. I’m more interested in how this affects the players. I’m all for anything that can help these people get the best possible path to long-term success, both on the court and financially. I like the idea of ​​getting these potential clients on guaranteed contracts in the NBA earlier in the process. However, since many of them will not be able to make an immediate impact in the NBA, the league will need a stronger G League program with each team having a one-on-one minor league to bolster this development. I’m looking at you, Portland and Phoenix.

Christian: Why pretend this is still traditional college basketball or that this is making a huge difference? The scene has changed. Instant transfer options are available. Potential clients can choose the G League, go abroad, or take advantage of some cash-boosted with the NIL deal if they don’t think a place in the first round of the draft is coming, and that will only really affect the blue bloods that dominate the hiring rankings each year. If you’re rooting for Vanderbilt or Providence, it’s going to cost you, what would one person cost you per decade? Meanwhile, you’ll make the Kentuckys and Villanovas a little weaker (or perhaps give them more leverage to recruit star players who will go on for 3-4 years instead of the enforcers who mistrust your hold to the point where you lose to St. Peter in the first round, from would say?). This seems like another step towards parity from a sport from which it thrives. That wouldn’t make college basketball worse. The stars would shine even if a few five-star recruits didn’t show up. We’ll keep getting Doug Ederts and Kevin Batesnogles.

Caroline: My esteemed teammates have made a lot of big points here already, but I’m 100% for any setup that benefits players who find the fittest, and I think this does. In a quick look at the last four NBA drafts, only 2-4 players were selected in the first round of the G-League or European track (for players heavily recruited by NCAA programs). Admittedly, the landscape in college athletics has changed drastically over the past few seasons with the NIL, the transfer gate, and a full-blown pandemic. However, I don’t see much effect. I’ll miss seeing Zion Williamson or Trae Young play fun college-level games, but only one player who has been in the top five in the past five seasons has actually won an NCAA title (Redshirt sophomore De’Andre Hunter, who spent three years in Virginia ). There would still be a huge benefit for players to choose the NCAA track, but overall, I think that’s pretty good for most parties (i.e. actual players again)

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